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Re: Old Alias and Wavefront apps screenshots...

Unread postby Winnili » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:47 pm

foetz wrote:i hope of course i can fire up an old machine a make some pics of explore 4.2 and prisms.

That would be great, especially of the latter. I'm a big fan of Houdini, although I've never had the chance to use/run PRISMS. (I remember reading about it on the SESI web site, also in magazines at the time. Lots of great stories.)
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Unread postby foetz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:15 pm

Winnili wrote:
foetz wrote:i hope of course i can fire up an old machine a make some pics of explore 4.2 and prisms.

That would be great, especially of the latter. I'm a big fan of Houdini, although I've never had the chance to use/run PRISMS. (I remember reading about it on the SESI web site, also in magazines at the time. Lots of great stories.)

i'm afraid that machine died but you can grab a few shots over there: http://nicknimble.com/index.php?option= ... 55&lang=en

if you wanna know anything else about prisms i'll try my best to recall what i can :)

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Unread postby arhiman57 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:30 am

Thanks for this link and the scan :D. If I remember correctly we can see an older release of Prisms running of Crimson on one of the "movie magic" magazine. It was about a movie with some CGI effect on a black cat.

I always wanted to found some screenshot of TDI Explore 3.x and Vertigo 9 etc, very hard to find compared to classic Alias of Softimage product (newer version)
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Unread postby foetz » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:20 pm

a small easter gift, the PowerAnimator 8 games flyer as it was handed out back then :)
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Unread postby foetz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:34 am

i just happened to read the intro on the page with the prisms pics and noticed what a n00b that guy is. typical ipad kiddy.
if it doesn't look like on the iphone it's automatically ancient and bad. not a single word about the actual operation of the program but instead just dumb and superficial phrases. i bet if you'd just switch the gui widgets to apple defaults but change nothing else his text would be very different :P

anyway don't get fooled by that article prisms is very good and unique. it's quite technical and doesn't follow the usual usage mechanisms. it's great for serious construction and well structured setups. not so suitable tho for the quick and dirty things like alias for example where pretty much everything is click & drag. and yes some parts are standalone programs which can be an advantage especially for big scenes so you don't have to load the big main app with the full big scene. also makes it more solid if one part should crash.
it's not for everyone and some people never liked it; not back then and not today but if used right it'll serve you well in many ways :)

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Unread postby Winnili » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:00 am

foetz wrote:i just happened to read the intro on the page with the prisms pics and noticed what a n00b that guy is. typical ipad kiddy.

Same here, I also became uninterested in the ‘accompanying texts’ after reading into the first paragraphs (although I did amazingly finish reading through it, somehow). Only the screenshots were of value to me.


if it doesn't look like on the iphone it's automatically ancient and bad. not a single word about the actual operation of the program but instead just dumb and superficial phrases.

Notice that he did model his (if you ask me, bulky, bland and unimpressive) ‘render farm’ after Google's first ‘production servers’. I mean, that was roughly from the same time period, wasn't it? I don't see him knocking that for being old and unwieldy. Unlike PRISMS, a very well-made, excellently thought out and robust software package, it was rather ‘ghetto’ rigged. I guess he must have a good reason for his double standards, or my value judgment just happens to differ a bit.

I also noticed that he's from here, but didn't see an education listed. Reminds me of what almost happened to me, as it almost seems he didn't finish his study(?), when I was offered by C.O.R.E. DP to come work for them before I had finished my study (which I declined at the time). I guess, if my suspicion is correct, he'd prove once that not having an education isn't ‘the end’ in terms of job/career opportunities and especially in this line of work... (I later then also made the stupid mistake of pursuing an IT/ICT study, amongst a few things, to ‘diversify’ my curriculum vitae.)


i bet if you'd just switch the gui widgets to apple defaults but change nothing else his text would be very different :P

Please don't give him and his ilk any ideas...


anyway don't get fooled by that article prisms is very good and unique. it's quite technical and doesn't follow the usual usage mechanisms.

Actually, isn't Houdini even also missing a few features and functionalities, like the PRISMS morphing tools? I certainly don't remember seeing them in any Houdini, both old and new, ever since.


it's not for everyone and some people never liked it; not back then and not today but if used right it'll serve you well in many ways :)

It's too bad nobody can use it anymore, I for one would love to try it (especially a N32 release). I guess I've permanently missed my chance, years ago...
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Re: Old Alias and Wavefront apps screenshots...

Unread postby foetz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:19 pm

Winnili wrote:Actually, isn't Houdini even also missing a few features and functionalities, like the PRISMS morphing tools? I certainly don't remember seeing them in any Houdini, both old and new, ever since.

hmm good question. i never used that so i didn't miss it :P
if they did indeed scrap it maybe it was because they concentrated more on the 3d than the compositing part of the program(s).

however for someone who likes houdini sage might be instesting. it came with v6 and above iirc and is sort of a prototype of the modelling as houdini had it later. you could switch the gui to either a full 3d view (as you'd get when maximising the houdini perspective view) or have a split view with a large sop net area on the right and a smaller 3d view port with the sop options below on the left.
btw the font used for the prisms logo is Bookman-Demi which is part of x_eoe.sw.Xfonts. bevel it a bit and there you go :D

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Re: Old Alias and Wavefront apps screenshots...

Unread postby hhoffman » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:32 am

I did find composer 4.5. The interface is slightly different, more simple. There is i.e. no timeline like in version 5.5.

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Since I do not have a license for it, it's only running in demo mode.

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Unread postby vishnu » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:04 pm

hhoffman wrote:Since I do not have a license for it, it's only running in demo mode.

You can get a license, just not from Autodesk. :mrgreen: Oh I did not just go there. Moderators! Moderators! Why isn't the "report to moderators" function enabled here at nekochan? Are we that trustworthy of a group? :shock:
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Unread postby hazelden » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:47 pm

vishnu wrote:...Why isn't the "report to moderators" function enabled here at nekochan? Are we that trustworthy of a group? :shock:


Vishnu,

If you are into self-reporting, the report button is to the left of the quote button on every nekochan message.:lol: The report button has a small triangle shaped icon with a red exclamation mark inside it. You can choose to report questionable links, advertising related posts, or off topic messages.

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Unread postby vishnu » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:39 pm

hazelden wrote:If you are into self-reporting, the report button is to the left of the quote button on every nekochan message.


Ha ha, call me observant... :lol:
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Unread postby guardian452 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:30 pm

Huh, my nekochan looks different. (there are different skins available, but IIRC mine is the default...)

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Unread postby hazelden » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:05 pm

guardian452,

It looks like my nekochan "User Control Panel" board style was set to use the prosilver style and your screenshot uses the subsliver2 style. The funny thing is I don't remember changing any of those settings on my account.

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Unread postby foetz » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:26 pm

hehe you can indeed report your own posts :P
as for the studiopaint pics, that should be possible :)

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Re: Old Alias and Wavefront apps screenshots...

Unread postby foetz » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:25 pm

hazelden wrote:I would love to see some screenshots of Alias Studio Paint working with NURBS patch surfaces.

unfortunately there were a bunch of issues with the vpro so in studiopaint the patch looked black. anyway it did work nevertheless. pics attached.
i used 2 simple surfaces made of 3 skinned curves. surfaces are uniform at 3 deg.
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