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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby Geoman » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:29 am

Octane with a Barco Calibrator screen -- cool! I have never seen that before! Thanks for digging these photos out/ scanning them and upload!

But hey: now we have got an expert here :-) so how to open a tiff file with Creator then? *grin* I always get the aforementioned "error submitting job"
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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby webweave » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:33 am

Thanks, the photos are from 2002 and were some of the earliest I had in iPhoto so they were taken with a digital camera, it says a Kodak digital camera but I don't remember, I was documenting the shop before some renovations and just happened to snap them.

You can't open anything? I don't remember the little details but they weren't too friendly to differing formats, you had to stick pretty close to the book with these. Try to save the same file with many different settings and see if you can get one open. If not you're likely missing some libraries or links.

I got a friend who I gave all my Barco stuff to when we shut down, he's built quite the Barco Graphic museum so he might have an idea. He ran a couple of Barco Rotogravure shops.

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby webweave » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:13 am

He recommends the same thing I did, "do other tiffs work? do other formats work (EPS, non-layered PSDs)?"

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby Geoman » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:29 am

I tried several TIFFs from different sources - no success at all.

But I'm gonna try both EPS- and Photoshop 2.5 formats: perhaps that will work..

Thanks for the advice!
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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby robespierre » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:37 pm

Do you know anyone who has service information for the Reference Calibrator?
I have one that was unfortunately damaged by a noisy RGB input, and now reports "Malfunction: ELT Down".

ELT: Extra Low Voltage?? I don't know. It could also be "Limit Threshold" or something.
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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby luchford » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:42 am

Maybe the program which converts from TIF to CVW is missing some path variable. After installing from the CD, you need to do the following, according to the manual:

As a normal user (the user account where you expect to run Creator), you need to run /bg/gen/local/com/install_bgpath, and /bg/gen/local/com/install_bgalias from the command line. Reboot.

Then you just type "cre7_2" or "creator" from the command line (I don't remember the exact name, but you find all the startup scripts in /bg/gen/local/com, I think).

You can add Creator and Colortone icons to your desktop by going to the /bg/gen/local/com directory in the IRIX graphical filesystem explorer (I don't have an SGI at this location, so I don't remember the name), and just drag the cre7_2 script to the desktop.

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby foetz » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:33 am

luchford wrote:run /bg/gen/local/com/install_bgpath, and /bg/gen/local/com/install_bgalias from the command line. Reboot.

reboot? :P
a simple "rehash" should do the job :D

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby Geoman » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:44 am

I already ran these scripts with no success at all. At lest the software shows a beautiful splash screen :-)
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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby webweave » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:08 pm

Will it open any image?
Will it open a .CVW?
Can you create a new image?

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby modology » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:24 am

Any chance you guys can post screenshots of Barco Strike and more screenshots for Barco Creator.
I'm very interested in knowing what's sort vintage software before Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator become the defacto standard

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby webweave » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:53 pm

Good question modology. I believe its worthy of a book examining how such specialized industry tools became the pablum for the masses. I don't possess any of the hardware or software anymore so I can't get you any screenshots but I'm planning a trip to my parents house and will look through what I have in storage as I'm sure I kept something interesting.

I took the training courses at Barco in Ohio and operated two different Barco shops in the 90's. Both jobs were so specialized that I believe you'd have trouble to duplicate our work today. Line Works (Brix?) I think was the name of the vector art package, you'd just type LW in a terminal to get it going. Barco told me the line work package was originally developed for GIS data which is basically geographical mapping software and not for painting pretty pictures. They sold it to huge architectural firms and large cities to create complex maps and keep track of utility lines, they weren't really trying to sell it to graphics shops as few applications existed that required it so I don't know how widely it was used. In one shop we used it to create images for security documents which were output to either a diamond cylinder engraver, a Barco Graphics SECUSETTER (legendary for imaging over 10,000dpi.) or a Xeikon DCP 50D.

There was another Barco package that could automate the graphic packages with a data base. It was kind of like Automator and Photoshop Actions on steroids. It had some name like PrintStreamer, I haven't thought about it in years but from what I recall it could read any database available to the host machine, the host being an SGI or a VAX server (maybe even the AIX server). You'd open a document in Barco's version of the page layout tool and you'd draw out boxes and give each one a name. The list of names would appear and you'd link them to the data you want to display there, like some mail merge software. We produced hundreds of thousands of documents and each one unique except for the return address, all keyed to information pulled from the db. I make it sound easy but it could change any and all parts of the document and it could run a double sided 7 color digital web press (the DCP 50D) full speed for hours,days even at a time.

To have access to all this gear and more was awe inspiring to say the least.

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby vishnu » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:51 pm

webweave, that sounds eminently cool what happened that you got out of that business? :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby modology » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:08 am

Now i wish that I was born in the 70s. Stuff back then are like dark magic, only handful of people can get access or have the opportunity to work on any of those systems. Looking forward to see screenshots or documents related to the barco product

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby webweave » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:47 am

I billed myself as a startup specialist with a background in physics so projects either went into full production and I left or they failed and I left, either way I was gone. The security printing company ended when the founder had a bout of anxiety brought on by hiring good people who did their jobs, classic "insecurity". He panic attacked in front of the main investment bank's rep, not good. I knew we were done as I watched him throw a fit in a full board room meeting. Too bad as we were on target for all our projects and had won numerous awards and I spent tons of time getting us ready for a move to a full production plant. I stopped going in when the checks stopped which was longer than expected, the move never happened.

The other shop was in Saudi Arabia. The owner built a good sized conventional printing operation and made the jump to a full digital facility but none of his new stuff worked and he was going bankrupt. An associate who was the sales specialist for one piece of equipment happened to sit next to him on a plane to Vancouver. The guy was certain that the gear didn't work and he had been screwed. Well the guy who was sitting next to him was responsible for hundreds of installs and someone he knew (me) had experience getting everything else he had working. We went there, got everything working (that's my desk in the photo above) and expanded the shop many times until he lost interest. People with lots of money and not much else are susceptible to chasing shiny objects when you need them to focus.

I just looked at the Barco pages on wikipedia, (thanks luchford) and a lot of that information is wrong or is written to not include what I knew about the company. I don't have any documents to prove my accusations so don't want to edit it but Barco made lots of unix hardware right up until the end and I don't see any reference to it and they had lots of tech relationships with manufacturers of other specialised equipment. We had a bunch of it so I know it existed. And there's no mention of their work in gravure printing which was major.

When computing was controlled by people of science it was a good world to work in. When accountants took over I just wanted out. Here's one example, when I had a problem with unix gear and I'm not just talking Barco here I had a list of phone numbers of engineers who I could call and get immediate answers, did anyone improve on that today? If I had a problem with a "system" I could get reps in from all the vendors for a meeting and actually solve the problem, has anyone had a rep from Microsoft at a problem solving meeting? I had a VMS server that hadn't been rebooted in almost ten years! I had contact with the guy who last rebooted it and he would review my proposed changes before I implemented them, for FREE because he liked the machine and was proud I was still on his "session". You don't get much pride when all your gear is designed to last 18 months.

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Re: Barco Creator

Unread postby vishnu » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:59 pm

Gotta admit that Saudi Arabia is nowhere near the top of my "must visit" list but that's an amazing story, how much time did you end up spending in "The Kingdom"? Is it really true that there's absolutely no chance of ever getting your hand on a drink there? 8-)
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