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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:05 am

That does look like a machine in stellar condition. Unfortunately, no way to tell on the V10/V12 from the outside. Both cards look like that.

Bet on it being a V10, which is still decent, and be delighted if it's a V12.
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby Trippynet » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:40 am

Fingers crossed! You'll see all manner of previous nightmare stories here about dreadful packaging, poor shipping, and people having to pour the broken bits of plastic out of the box.

Of course on the other hand, there's good sellers too. Both my main systems in my signature came from Ian on these forums. He's well known for his armageddon-proof packaging, and is evidence that SGIs can easily survive rough shipping if they're packed properly.

Hopefully the good feedback means your seller will fall into the latter category :)
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:Fuel: - Lithium: R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 72GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby sornywrx » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:55 am

Oh I really hope they package it well. I hadn't even considered that but since SGIs are so heavy and are plastic clad I can now see why it's common for them to get busted up in shipping.

I was surprised that shipping was "only" $35 including "handling and packaging" with as heavy as these PCs are.

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby uunix » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:19 pm

That moment between paying and receiving is so long and tense!

I wanted a fuel once, actually I'd still have one, but I think for me, they'd only offer USB support.. oh and another sexy beast in my sexy beast lair..
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby ajw99uk » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:47 pm

The description says it gets as far as looking for the boot drive from which to load sash, which shows that all the diagnostics must be passed. Sounds very promising that the lack of HD is the only reason why it's "parts or spares".

From the pics:
- internal SCSI cable is there :-)
- you get a PCI-X dual-channel SCSI card as well (QLogic QLA12160 perhaps?)
- the DIMMs don't look fully "packed" with RAM ICs (compared to 1GB DIMMs) so I'd suspect 256MB each, but they might be 512MB
- good external condition, which hopefully means it's been generally looked after
- the label on the back is "copyright 2002", year of launch; of course that label may never have changed so (c)2002 might appear on all Fuels but if I'm right about the RAM I'd tend to assume an earlier rather than later model, so more likely to be 500 or 600MHz
- BUT the bolt that secures the drive cage to the cross-bar is missing! the horror! :-O

Shipping is always a gamble, but at least a Fuel's case is metal on 5 out of 6 faces. More plastic to get broken on an Octane or O2.

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby sornywrx » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:54 pm

ajw99uk wrote:The description says it gets as far as looking for the boot drive from which to load sash, which shows that all the diagnostics must be passed. Sounds very promising that the lack of HD is the only reason why it's "parts or spares".

From the pics:
- internal SCSI cable is there :-)
- you get a PCI-X dual-channel SCSI card as well (QLogic QLA12160 perhaps?)
- the DIMMs don't look fully "packed" with RAM ICs (compared to 1GB DIMMs) so I'd suspect 256MB each, but they might be 512MB
- good external condition, which hopefully means it's been generally looked after
- the label on the back is "copyright 2002", year of launch; of course that label may never have changed so (c)2002 might appear on all Fuels but if I'm right about the RAM I'd tend to assume an earlier rather than later model, so more likely to be 500 or 600MHz
- BUT the bolt that secures the drive cage to the cross-bar is missing! the horror! :-O

Shipping is always a gamble, but at least a Fuel's case is metal on 5 out of 6 faces. More plastic to get broken on an Octane or O2.

Enjoy!


Thanks for the in depth analysis! My mind's going crazy waiting on this thing so I can see what hardware is in it and what the condition is. Maybe I'm naive but I'm pretty trusting that, unless damaged in shipping, the only thing wrong is missing HD. I'd like to believe since this place is a reseller of surplus goods that it was just picked up off the floor of some business and was working until the drive was pulled for security reasons. Guess we'll see. Unfortunately it looks like it's gonna be the first of the week at best since I don't even have a tracking number yet.

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby uunix » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:17 pm

sornywrx wrote:Maybe I'm naive but I'm pretty trusting that, unless damaged in shipping, the only thing wrong is missing HD.

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:34 pm

Quick survey of the two Fuels I have in the house (the super Fuel and the stripper spare) shows both systems have "copyright 2002" and at least one of them was factory 700MHz.
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby Krokodil » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:32 pm

Welcome to the SGI owners club.

My O2 and Octane both survived shipping cross country, practically unscathed. O2 has minor crack on the backside near the power supply vent, the Octane has a minor dent in the metal on the top corner above the video board, the plastic rib closest to it has a bit of surface damage on the top but the rest of the plastics are fine aside from the standard issue scuffs, scratches and sticker residue.

Gotta get around to posting the hinv for the Octane as well.
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby hamei » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:41 pm

sornywrx wrote:I can use USB KB and mouse on the Fuel, right?

Yes. But if you can, ps/2 is better. With usb, if you make any changes, you'll be single-usering in and deleting /etc/ioconfig.conf a lot. I even considered making a shutdown script that would do that every time it turned off, just in case.

Also, the USB versions of the SGI keyboards kinda suck. The letters wear off if you look at them crosswise. I have three here, all the same. Eventually I will become a touch typist :D

And the mouse is a piece-of-junk logitech. Logitech is pretty much garbage, wears out in two to three weeks. I've gone through three of their trackballs now. The old ball mouse is kind of a pain in the butt but it works ... and works ... and works.

And when you install ? (Next question is, "where can I get Irix ?") DON'T go to 30 immediately. I am so much happier with the Real Irix Experience and it runs soooo much better. The shit they did post-6.5.22 is awful.

In fact, it would be a bitch for a first-time install but if you can avoid a lot of the junk they bundled into the "keep standard" installation, it would be good. Netscape 4.8 is no longer relevant :shock:

If you are used to Windows, don't bother with any of the browsers, they'll just piss you off. Install rdesktop and run your fave Mickeysoft browser remotely. It will save you a lot of grief and a lot of worthless garbage on your nice clean Fuel. Keep the garbage on the MickeyMachine, where it belongs :P

Nekoware is great but ... if I were thee, I'd hold off any installing any until you've used real Irix apps a while. Otherwise you may as well get a peecee and stick Loonix on it. So many posts here asking "where can I get a fossy xyz ?" to which the correct answer is, "Icon Catalog -> Media Tools". Irix comes with a ton of built-in goodies. For 95% of what you do, you don't need gnulix crap.
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby sornywrx » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:28 am

hamei wrote:
sornywrx wrote:I can use USB KB and mouse on the Fuel, right?

Yes. But if you can, ps/2 is better. With usb, if you make any changes, you'll be single-usering in and deleting /etc/ioconfig.conf a lot. I even considered making a shutdown script that would do that every time it turned off, just in case.

Also, the USB versions of the SGI keyboards kinda suck. The letters wear off if you look at them crosswise. I have three here, all the same. Eventually I will become a touch typist :D

And the mouse is a piece-of-junk logitech. Logitech is pretty much garbage, wears out in two to three weeks. I've gone through three of their trackballs now. The old ball mouse is kind of a pain in the butt but it works ... and works ... and works.

And when you install ? (Next question is, "where can I get Irix ?") DON'T go to 30 immediately. I am so much happier with the Real Irix Experience and it runs soooo much better. The shit they did post-6.5.22 is awful.

In fact, it would be a bitch for a first-time install but if you can avoid a lot of the junk they bundled into the "keep standard" installation, it would be good. Netscape 4.8 is no longer relevant :shock:

If you are used to Windows, don't bother with any of the browsers, they'll just piss you off. Install rdesktop and run your fave Mickeysoft browser remotely. It will save you a lot of grief and a lot of worthless garbage on your nice clean Fuel. Keep the garbage on the MickeyMachine, where it belongs :P

Nekoware is great but ... if I were thee, I'd hold off any installing any until you've used real Irix apps a while. Otherwise you may as well get a peecee and stick Loonix on it. So many posts here asking "where can I get a fossy xyz ?" to which the correct answer is, "Icon Catalog -> Media Tools". Irix comes with a ton of built-in goodies. For 95% of what you do, you don't need gnulix crap.


Wow thanks for all the info. I might be looking for a PS2 kb/mouse set then. I just found a nice set on eBay for $50 and looks like they're in very good condition:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SGI-Silicon-Gra ... 35ef1b524f

Can't tell if that's a Logitech mouse though but on some other SGI mouse I've seen the Logitech logo and this one doesn't show it. I've had past experience of Logitech being junk and wouldn't buy one just because it had the SGI logo on it.

And who doesn't use Netscape 4.8 anymore?? ;)

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby Trippynet » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:54 am

That's a nice, standard SGI keyboard and ball mouse - not a Logitech one. I exactly the same pair here for my Fuel and Indigo2 and they work fine (despite their age), so long as you clean the rollers every few months of course!
Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP: - Nitrogen: R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel: - Lithium: R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 72GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2: R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:12 am

hamei wrote:
sornywrx wrote:I can use USB KB and mouse on the Fuel, right?

Yes. But if you can, ps/2 is better. With usb, if you make any changes, you'll be single-usering in and deleting /etc/ioconfig.conf a lot. I even considered making a shutdown script that would do that every time it turned off, just in case.


Ha. That's exactly what I ended up doing!

Also, mopar5150 and I did a lot of looking at Fuel motherboards and how well they cooperate with USB devices, especially in the PROM monitor. Our conclusion was we could find no obvious pattern of mo'bo version or firmware level that predicted how good the USB would be.

That said, I use a bog-standard Apple USB keyboard with mine (the white pre-chiclet version) connected to an Aten USB KVM.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby foetz » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:43 am

Trippynet wrote:That's a nice, standard SGI keyboard and ball mouse - not a Logitech one. I exactly the same pair here for my Fuel and Indigo2 and they work fine (despite their age), so long as you clean the rollers every few months of course!

same here. the best i ever had. i have quite a bunch of them and loved them from day 1 :D

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Re: New guy, just bought a Fuel

Unread postby hamei » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:39 pm

foetz wrote:
Trippynet wrote:That's a nice, standard SGI keyboard and ball mouse - not a Logitech one. I exactly the same pair here for my Fuel and Indigo2 and they work fine (despite their age), so long as you clean the rollers every few months of course!

same here. the best i ever had. i have quite a bunch of them and loved them from day 1 :D

The USB keyboards have a nice light touch - I know that's not popular but some people might like it. I like them okay but the letters rub off. You're not supposed to need the letters but still ... that's crap.

A quick look shows that the famous SGI resellers have tested granite keyboards with return privilege for less than fleabay. Since they are in biz to provide SGI parts, might want to look there.

And better yet, both price lists I looked at had the slab keyboards for even less than the smaller dished ones. The slab was my favorite, I thought it had an even better feel than the mid-period granite ones.

On the mouse front, I'ma trackball guy. But I picked up a no-name usb vertical mouse that was not as big as a house. Cost $5. It was pretty nice. For keyboard, ps/2 is better. But for mice, not as many choices :(

I'm afraid to try it on the Octane - the family jewels would be at stake - but the best mouse I've ever used is a Mickeysoft wireless thing. Two buttons and a scroll wheel that doubles as a third. It's almost round, like a slightly mashed half-ball, but with a cutout on the left side for the thumb. Really comfortable. Optical, wireless, teflon pads on the bottom, fits the hand great. It's a wonderful mouse.
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