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New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby SpaceDebris » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:27 pm

Hi,
As a child in the 90s, I was lucky enough to have access to my uncle's teal Indigo2. It was actually the very first computer I ever learned how to use and it really sparked my interest in computers as kid. Unfortunately my time with that machine was short lived, my uncle moved, and I haven't even seen an SGI machine in person since 1999. I started thinking about that old Indigo2 again after stumbling across an article about SGI and now I really want to get my hands on one for nostalgic purposes. I figured a forum full of SGI enthusiasts, I'm so glad one still exists in 2015, would be a pretty good place to ask for help.

Does anyone have any advice on where to look for a teal Indigo2 or have one for sale? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Note: I know this post probably belongs in the "Hardware Wanted" section but since it's my first post I felt this section was appropriate. I'll post in the hardware wanted section as well.
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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby nyef » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:00 pm

Welcome, welcome.

I see one on eBay right now as a buy-it-now, $160, free shipping, no drives, no drive caddies, damaged hinge of some sort... Apparently spins up, but no guarantee that it actually works. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicon-Graphics-CMNB007Y75-Indigo-2-Unix-Workstation-POWER-TESTED-ON-ONLY-Used-/331604819359?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d352ffd9f

If you do get this, note that it has the 13W3 connector for video. SGI and SUN 13W3 connectors are not entirely compatible, so be careful when you buy an adaptor.

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby hjw3001 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:40 pm

Welcome!

I recently purchased a working teal Indigo 2 from Craigslist. Create a saved search that will email you when someone lists an SGI for sale. You can also create saved searches on eBay.
:Indigo2: 200 MHz - 192 MB - R4400

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby foetz » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:17 pm

welcome SpaceDebris!

in addition you could also put up a request here in our "wanted" section

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby vishnu » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:16 pm

Welcome! Glad you found our tiny little outpost of outcasts here in the Land that Time Forgot... 8-)

Not to be a pooty parper, but unless you've got some of the applications that the Indigo2 was designed to run, for example Pro/ENGINEER, Power Animator, Maya, etc., then even a high end Indigo2 isn't going to be very useful. Or, at least not very useful for anything here in the Modern Era. You could argue, and in fact we argue about it a lot, that a higher end Octane2, Fuel, O350/Tezro are still useful for a tiny handful of tasks that the Modern Era would still consider relevant. Though I think the majority opinion here would tend to slant against that viewpoint. And that would the opinion of people who still really love these machines. I know I love mine (2x600MHz Octane2 and 2x700MHz Tezro)... :mrgreen:
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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby Trippynet » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:04 am

Indeed, it's about finding the right applications to run. My Indigo2 gets used for playing music via XMMS (300GB secondary hard drive full of tunes), for playing some ScummVM games, for messing around with Perl, and for general IRIX experimenting. Indigo2s can also be used to some degree for Blender and other 3D tasks, so long as you don't exceed the hardware's capabilities (ie, trying textured stuff with anything less than HighIMPACT). Of course, more complex work will always benefit from a higher spec machine, but I use my Indigo2 mainly because for nostalgia reasons, I have much more of a fondness for it than my Fuel, despite the additional performance that the Fuel offers.

For browsing the web or other modern tasks though, it's no good for this sort of thing, so you have to be realistic with expectations.

For obtaining a machine, I'd highly recommend a posting in "Wanted". There's often folk in the US wanting to move machines around, so if you're willing to drive a bit, you might be able to pick up a nice machine for very little.

EDIT: One quick note though, teal Indigo2s are usually MIPS R4400 processor systems. These are MIPS3, and so cannot use the main Nekoware repository. This requires MIPS4 (R5000/R7000 and R10000+). Of course with some customising of internal components, there's nothing to stop you putting the guts from a later R10000 Indigo2 into a teal case...
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:Indigo2IMP: - Nitrogen: R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel: - Lithium: R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 72GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2: R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby hamei » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:02 am

Trippynet wrote:EDIT: One quick note though, teal Indigo2s are usually MIPS R4400 processor systems. These are MIPS3, and so cannot use the main Nekoware repository.

You know what ? I love the main nekoware repository, it's a great help and lots of good software but I no longer use any of it. The release notes are a big help for building the very few pieces of new fossy software that are good -- but I have been so much happier with a bare minimum of open source software. There's a few good (and indispensable, e.g. xpdf) programs but a huge amount of it is pure aggravation.

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby foetz » Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:45 pm

Trippynet wrote:teal Indigo2s are usually MIPS R4400 processor systems

which makes them the most versatile of all. they can run everything from irix 4 to 6.5.22

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby SAQ » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:43 pm

If I were getting a first SGI, I'd go Indigo2 IMPACT 10k or Octane. Both are ruggedly constructed, significantly faster than R4400, and run IRIX 6.5 (yes, R4k Indigo2 and Indigo will as well, but 10k is faster and has higher potential memory capacity). Indy isn't bad, but has a lower max memory. O2 and Fuel are smaller and faster (respectively), but seem to be more troublesome. Indigo 1 is older and has a cult following so it is harder to find/more expensive. The older you get in IRIX the less of a "standard UNIX" it is and the more oddities pop up.

If you offer to pay some and are able to pick up or pay packing/shipping at a "drop off and go" place you'll likely get more interest here. Packing to ship can be trouble for the current owner.
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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby Trippynet » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:32 am

foetz wrote:which makes them the most versatile of all. they can run everything from irix 4 to 6.5.22


True, but if you want to "max out" an Indigo2, an R10000 will provide better performance, and I'd imagine he's more likely to want IRIX 6.5 than an earlier flavour.
Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP: - Nitrogen: R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel: - Lithium: R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 72GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2: R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby sgifanatic » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:44 am

I'm in central Texas and have a teal indigo2 I can part with. If you're interested, please pm me and we'll work something out.
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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby SpaceDebris » Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:19 pm

Thank you all for the helpful advice!

nyef wrote:Welcome, welcome.

I see one on eBay right now as a buy-it-now, $160, free shipping, no drives, no drive caddies, damaged hinge of some sort... Apparently spins up, but no guarantee that it actually works. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicon-Graphics-CMNB007Y75-Indigo-2-Unix-Workstation-POWER-TESTED-ON-ONLY-Used-/331604819359?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d352ffd9f

If you do get this, note that it has the 13W3 connector for video. SGI and SUN 13W3 connectors are not entirely compatible, so be careful when you buy an adaptor.


Thanks for pointing out that ebay listing. I'll certainly consider that listing if I can't find any guaranteed working systems. And thanks for the info about the 13W3 connector. I already have a few SUN 13W3 connectors and I would have tried using them without a second thought.


hjw3001 wrote:Welcome!

I recently purchased a working teal Indigo 2 from Craigslist. Create a saved search that will email you when someone lists an SGI for sale. You can also create saved searches on eBay.


Thank you for that advice! I'll set that up right now.
Image R10K 195MHz CPU, SolidIMPACT Graphics, Phobos G160 NIC, 512MB RAM, 9.1GB 15k HDD, IRIX 6.5.22
Image R4400 200MHz CPU, Elan Graphics, 128MB RAM, 36GB 15K HDD, IRIX 6.2

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby SpaceDebris » Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:21 pm

vishnu wrote:Welcome! Glad you found our tiny little outpost of outcasts here in the Land that Time Forgot... 8-)

Not to be a pooty parper, but unless you've got some of the applications that the Indigo2 was designed to run, for example Pro/ENGINEER, Power Animator, Maya, etc., then even a high end Indigo2 isn't going to be very useful. Or, at least not very useful for anything here in the Modern Era. You could argue, and in fact we argue about it a lot, that a higher end Octane2, Fuel, O350/Tezro are still useful for a tiny handful of tasks that the Modern Era would still consider relevant. Though I think the majority opinion here would tend to slant against that viewpoint. And that would the opinion of people who still really love these machines. I know I love mine (2x600MHz Octane2 and 2x700MHz Tezro)... :mrgreen:


That's a very good point. Luckily I may have a resource for software. A friend of mine who worked with SGI systems in he 90s claims to have a few boxes of SGI software somewhere in his garage... If not I'm guessing ebay may prove useful for software acquisition.


Trippynet wrote:Indeed, it's about finding the right applications to run. My Indigo2 gets used for playing music via XMMS (300GB secondary hard drive full of tunes), for playing some ScummVM games, for messing around with Perl, and for general IRIX experimenting. Indigo2s can also be used to some degree for Blender and other 3D tasks, so long as you don't exceed the hardware's capabilities (ie, trying textured stuff with anything less than HighIMPACT). Of course, more complex work will always benefit from a higher spec machine, but I use my Indigo2 mainly because for nostalgia reasons, I have much more of a fondness for it than my Fuel, despite the additional performance that the Fuel offers.

For browsing the web or other modern tasks though, it's no good for this sort of thing, so you have to be realistic with expectations.

For obtaining a machine, I'd highly recommend a posting in "Wanted". There's often folk in the US wanting to move machines around, so if you're willing to drive a bit, you might be able to pick up a nice machine for very little.

EDIT: One quick note though, teal Indigo2s are usually MIPS R4400 processor systems. These are MIPS3, and so cannot use the main Nekoware repository. This requires MIPS4 (R5000/R7000 and R10000+). Of course with some customising of internal components, there's nothing to stop you putting the guts from a later R10000 Indigo2 into a teal case...


Thanks for the advice.I want one primarily for nostalgic purposes so I'm certainly not expecting to get any real work done on an Indigo2. That said if it can be used for actual work I will certainly use it, primarily for the coolness factor, cool in my opinion, of using an SGI machine from the 1990s to get work done in 2015.
Image R10K 195MHz CPU, SolidIMPACT Graphics, Phobos G160 NIC, 512MB RAM, 9.1GB 15k HDD, IRIX 6.5.22
Image R4400 200MHz CPU, Elan Graphics, 128MB RAM, 36GB 15K HDD, IRIX 6.2

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby SpaceDebris » Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:41 pm

foetz wrote:
Trippynet wrote:teal Indigo2s are usually MIPS R4400 processor systems

which makes them the most versatile of all. they can run everything from irix 4 to 6.5.22


Trippynet wrote:
foetz wrote:which makes them the most versatile of all. they can run everything from irix 4 to 6.5.22


True, but if you want to "max out" an Indigo2, an R10000 will provide better performance, and I'd imagine he's more likely to want IRIX 6.5 than an earlier flavour.



You both make very good points. But I definitely want to get a teal Indigo2, regardless of its limitations, only because a teal Indigo2 was the first computer I ever used and I'd like to replicate the same experience I had as a kid. However, since I'm also interested in the much greater performance potential of an R10K system, I'm just going to try and get one of each.
Image R10K 195MHz CPU, SolidIMPACT Graphics, Phobos G160 NIC, 512MB RAM, 9.1GB 15k HDD, IRIX 6.5.22
Image R4400 200MHz CPU, Elan Graphics, 128MB RAM, 36GB 15K HDD, IRIX 6.2

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Re: New to Nekochan and looking for hardware

Unread postby foetz » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:00 pm

SpaceDebris wrote:I'm just going to try and get one of each.

that's the best option of course :P

however, an r10k indigo2 is not too useful because it'll still be quite laggy for anything that needs 6.5.x. an octane or higher is the better choice there.
in other words everything less than an r10000 o2 doesn't make much sense with 6.5.x. older, lighter irix versions with older, lighter programs is where an indigo shines.


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