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New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:40 am

Hi everyone,

This is my first time so please be gentle lol.
I have just acquired my first SGI - an 02 with 128Mb ram, 2gb drive and a 1600SW lcd monitor plus card (not installed).
My problem is getting it running.
Powers up Ok - red for a few seconds then a nice little post jingle followed by a green for go light.
The monitor I have connected (Philips 109S which I believe syncs on green) just gives me a green screen.
Also, the cd-rom drive triggers to open but will not stay shut when returned to the closed position, just opens again immediately.
I got this stuff as a freebie from a Uni here in Brisbane that was upgrading so I figure I'm in front?
My thinking is that they maybe formatted the drive before disposal.
If that's the case (how do I check) and I have no foundation disks (and can't seem to find) what next?
I'd happily install linux if possible but (with no OS onboard) this seems a touch tricky.
Any suggestions greatfully received.

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby jan-jaap » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:36 am

Hi & welcome!
kazaly wrote:Hi everyone,

This is my first time so please be gentle lol.
I have just acquired my first SGI - an 02 with 128Mb ram, 2gb drive and a 1600SW lcd monitor plus card (not installed).
My problem is getting it running.
Powers up Ok - red for a few seconds then a nice little post jingle followed by a green for go light.

Nice catch -- sounds good so far

kazaly wrote:The monitor I have connected (Philips 109S which I believe syncs on green) just gives me a green screen.

Doesn't sound like SOG. And the monitor's manual doesn't mention SOG capability either:

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• Video dot rate 158 MHz
• Input impedance
- Video 75 ohm
- Sync 2.2 kOhm
• Input signal levels 0.7 Vpp
• Sync input signal
Separate sync
Composite sync
• Sync polarities Positive and negative


kazaly wrote:Also, the cd-rom drive triggers to open but will not stay shut when returned to the closed position, just opens again immediately.

This is a well known failure mode of the CDROM drive used. I think it can be fixed, there should be some info in the message board archives, or wiki: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/SGI_O2#Troubleshooting

kazaly wrote:I got this stuff as a freebie from a Uni here in Brisbane that was upgrading so I figure I'm in front?
My thinking is that they maybe formatted the drive before disposal.
If that's the case (how do I check) and I have no foundation disks (and can't seem to find) what next?
I'd happily install linux if possible but (with no OS onboard) this seems a touch tricky.
Any suggestions greatfully received.

Happy sound and green LED is good: http://www.nekochan.net/w/images/8/83/O2_chart_left.gif

Sounds to me like the O2 is configured either to use the serial port instead of the keyboard/mouse/monitor, or falls back to the serial port because it doesn't like the keyboard/mouse (make sure the keyboard & mouse are in the correct ports, the O2 doesn't like if you swap them).

If you can't get a boot screen from the O2, try to disconnect keyboard & mouse and connect serial #1 to a PC using a null-modem cable. Upon power-on, it should run diagnostics and then present you with a [1] ... [5] screen. If you get that far, you've got a working system, and the rest can be sorted out.

This forum is not the right place to look for commercial software like IRIX. Maybe the pirate boat can help you out.
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby smj » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:47 am

Welcome kazaly! We may all be mad, but it is a glorious madness... ;)

In trying to find a working SOG monitor, you can refer to this list from the wiki: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/Monitors.

The O2 is definitely one of the more popular models, you'll find lots of relevant threads with a little searching in the forum and wiki.
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:54 am

kazaly wrote:I'd happily install linux if possible but (with no OS onboard) this seems a touch tricky.


Please don't. You want Linux get a PC. Exotic hardware deserves an exotic O/S.

kazaly wrote:If that's the case (how do I check) and I have no foundation disks (and can't seem to find) what next?


The Orange box above... no discussion about distribution of unpaid for commercial software etc ... However away from this site... Fleabay Oz haz (often overpriced or mislabeled) IRIX sets.

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:58 am

Hi jan-jaap and thanks for our advice.
I'll search out my cable box tomorrow and give your recommendations a try.
I didn't think it seemed there was too much wrong.
Hope to have the lil blue toaster cooking up soon lol.

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:27 am

@ smj
it is a glorious madness
lol ... it sure is :shock:
Thanks for the link to monitors ... I'll have good look around for one of those.

@ pymblesoftware ...
Exotic hardware deserves an exotic O/S
yes, you are right.
I had wanted to stay with IRIX and I will try.

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby duck » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:59 am

kazaly wrote:@ smj
it is a glorious madness
lol ... it sure is :shock:
Thanks for the link to monitors ... I'll have good look around for one of those.

Surely there's no need if you have a 1600SW?

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby smj » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:14 pm

kazaly wrote:... and a 1600SW lcd monitor plus card (not installed).

So to duck's point, if you can install the Flat Panel Adapter (FPA) card you mentioned, you should be able to use the 1600SW. Is there something wrong with that panel that you didn't mention? Or are you simply trying to check the machine out fully before opening it up and fiddling with it's internal components? I'd guess the latter...
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:47 am

@duck
@smj

I had read in the sgi 02 user manuals that I needed to preconfigure settings before changeover.
Have I been seriously mislead?
And yes, I did rather want to check things out as they stood before changing componentry.
Just to see if everything was working well before introducing other possible complications.

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby skywriter » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:48 am

you can have more than one sentence on the same line. bravo italics; someone that gets it.
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby jan-jaap » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:55 am

Just one thing: if you decide to install the Flat Panel adapter, be sure to disconnect the power cable before you remove the system board from the chassis. Failing to do this can destroy it.
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby recondas » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:17 am

kazaly wrote:I had read in the sgi 02 user manuals that I needed to preconfigure settings before changeover.

I think the need to pre-configure was in reference to an existing IRIX installation. If I understood correctly that your O2 arrived with a wiped drive, then no harm - no foul. You can install the flat-panel adapter before or after IRIX (but the version of IRIX installed will need to be 6.5.2 or higher to include out of the box support for the 1600SW adapter).
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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:36 pm

@recondas - "If I understood correctly that your O2 arrived with a wiped drive" ... this I do not know for sure as I don't have a working monitor. This is my problem in a nutshell - I find myself in a catch 22 situation with a monitor I can maybe use but no way of knowing if I have an operable system or not without a monitor ... doh!??
Does an 02 have a distinctive post beep that indicates the presence of an OS?

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:42 pm

kazaly wrote:@recondas - "If I understood correctly that your O2 arrived with a wiped drive" ... this I do not know for sure as I don't have a working monitor. This is my problem in a nutshell - I find myself in a catch 22 situation with a monitor I can maybe use but no way of knowing if I have an operable system or not without a monitor ... doh!??
Does an 02 have a distinctive post beep that indicates the presence of an OS?


Do you know how to use hyperterm and have a null-modem cable..??

http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/Headless#C ... l.29_cable

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Re: New to the scene but keen

Unread postby kazaly » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:24 am

@pympblesoftware

Thanks for that suggestion, I'll pickup a null modem cable and run hyperterminal for diagnostics.
On another tack, I've been looking thru the wiki monitor list and noticed the Samsung multisyncs.
Will [i]any[/i] SOG monitor work or are there other considerations?
I need a larger lcd for other applications but if I could use it to first set up the toaster that would be a bonus.
This one on e-bay http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Samsung-Syncmaster-2243BWX-22-16-10-LCD-Monitor-5-ms-Excellent-Condition-/260918596150?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item3cbff5d236#shId
Here's the manual link http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200905/20090526185745109/BN59-00950A-02Eng.pdf
I must say R. you have been incredibly helpful and your equipment is just mindbending!

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