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I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby escimo » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:50 pm

Because RobhG's posts about "SGI for CGI", I remembered the "Hardware Setup Guide" manuals for discreet/AutoDesk flame.
And look at the back view snippets of the workstations from several manuals.
Space for expansions? Not really. Built to run one dedicated application set.

SGI_Octane2.png
(source: flame 7.2 Release Notes, Jul 2001)
SGI_Tezro.png
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(source: Hardware Setup Guide for SGI Tezro and SGI Octane2 Workstations, Sep 2006)
SGI_Onyx350_DM3.png
(source: Hardware Setup Guide for SGI Onyx 350 and SGI Onyx 3200 Workstations, Sep 2006)
IBM_APro_6127SC.png
IBM_APro_6127SC.png (89.72 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Autodesk Effects and Editing 2007 Hardware Setup Guide for IBM 6217SC Workstations, Aug 2006)
IBM_APro_6217DC.png
IBM_APro_6217DC.png (75.57 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Hardware Setup Guide for IBM 6217 Workstations, Nov 2005)
IBM_ZPro_6221.png
IBM_ZPro_6221.png (85.82 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Hardware Setup Guide for IBM 6221 and IBM 6224 Workstations, Sep 2006)
IBM_APro_6224.png
IBM_APro_6224.png (85.15 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Hardware Setup Guide for IBM 6221 and IBM 6224 Workstations, Sep 2006)
HP_xw8400.png
HP_xw8400.png (116.91 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Autodesk Effects and Editing 2007 Hardware Setup Guide for HP xw8400 Workstations, Sep 2006)
HP_xw9400.png
HP_xw9400.png (125.14 KiB) Viewed 356 times
(source: Autodesk Effects and Editing 2007 Hardware Setup Guide for HP xw9400 Workstations, Apr 2007)

(*) All snippets courtesy of Autodesk Inc. :mrgreen:

Nothing with less than dual-CPU config, at least 4GiB RAM (only for SD/HD in PAL/NTSC), V12 graphics, FC storage (stone arrays), DMedia board and VBOB, audio boxes, multiple TV-boxes and monitors, WaCom tablet and so on! And don't forget the backend farms for processing and rendering (e.g. cluster of 1RU Intel-based linux servers).

I like to watch old workstation stuff like this but nothing else. ;)

EDIT:
snippet from the flame 7.2 release notes concerning Octane2, p.9
Octane2 Limitations
This section describes several limitations of the Octane2. Most of these limitations occur because the
Octane2 does not have the hardware graphics to video path that most other platforms have. (...)
"... that most other platforms have." - this was 2001! Even in 2001 the Octane2 was already way too under-powered.

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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby GIJoe » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:10 am

escimo wrote:Space for expansions? Not really. Built to run one dedicated application set.


i'd interpret it like this: configured to run one dedicated application set by taking advantage of the options for expansion that the multi-purpose (or can we call it ... generic? :mrgreen: ) workstation offers.

btw. what did the ZPro 6221 have to do with the autodesk apps? i had one back in the day but that must have been well before FFI went to linux.

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Unread postby escimo » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:01 pm

GIJoe wrote:btw. what did the ZPro 6221 have to do with the autodesk apps? i had one back in the day but that must have been well before FFI went to linux.
If Wikipedia (en) is correct the IBM ZPro 6221was bundled with Smoke starting from 2004 for around USD 65k. IFF was available later for linux.
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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:42 am

Fascinating.

I also enjoyed many many many hours just going through manuals, and I love how most things in the past were properly documented to begin with.

When I was a kid, my parents took me to the farm almost every weekend and there was no computer there, so I would take with me all the IBM manuals I had. They were so detailed, well formatted, the quality of the print was so good. Good times.
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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby escimo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:42 am

Found some printed paper from 2006-08-02 about requirements for running Discreet IFF/smoke on RHEL and IRIX. Also some white paper about stone disk arrays.

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Discreet Inferno - System Configuration
Linux Version
  * Dual core dual Opteron processor workstation, RedHat Enterprise Linux operating system.
  * NVIDIA Quadro FX4500
  * Real-time 8/10-bit 4:4:4 ITU-R 601 standard definition, and SMPTE 292M HDTV I/O.
  * Support for 4k 10- and 12-bit film.

Discreet Flame - System Configuration
IRIX Version
  * High performance quad processor SGI Tezro.
  * V12 graphics subsystem
  * Real-time 8/10-bit 4:4:4 ITU-R 601 standard definition, and SMPTE 292M HDTV I/O.
  * Support for 4k 10- and 12-bit film.
Linux Version
  * Dual core dual Opteron processor workstation, RedHat Enterprise Linux operating system.
  * NVIDIA Quadro FX4500
  * Real-time 8/10-bit 4:4:4 ITU-R 601 standard definition, and SMPTE 292M HDTV I/O.
  * Support for 4k 10- and 12-bit film.

Discreet Flint - System Configuration
Flint HD-Version
  * Dual core dual Opteron processor workstation
  * RedHat Enterprise Linux operating system.
  * NVIDIA Quadro FX4500
  * Real-time ITU-R 601 standard definition and SMPTE 292M HDTV I/O (^1)
Flint SD-Version
  * Dual core dual Opteron processor workstation
  * RedHat Enterprise Linux operating system.
  * NVIDIA Quadro FX4500
  * Real-time ITU-R 601 standard definition I/O (^1)
(^1) Stored as 8-bit RGB data on disk
(yes had to type-in the text again, no prob)

For smoke 2K (Finishing)

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Platform ................: 2x Dual-Core Opteron workstation or
                           SGI Tezro visual workstation
Operating System ........: Linux RedHat Enterprise 3.0 or
                           IRIX 6.5
Editing Playback ........: Real-time 10-bit 4:4:4 SD, HD, 2K
Graphics ................: NVIDIA Quadro FX4500 Graphics (Linux) or
                           SGI VPro Graphics (IRIX)
Video I/O ...............: DVS Centaurus (Linux) or
                           SGI DMediaPro DM3 (IRIX)
4:2:2 Video I/O .........: SMPTE-259M/292M, SDI: real-time 8-/10-bit
                           uncompressed 4:2:2 HD/SD video I/O
4:4:4 Video I/O .........: 4:4:4 HD/SD video via SMTPE-292 compliant HD-SDI
                           dual-link signal for real-time 8-/10-bit uncompressed
                           4:4:4 video I/O
HSDL I/O ................: HSDL I/O via SMTPE-292 compliant HD-SDI dual-link
                           signal for progressive 2K file
Internal Image Processing: 12-bit RGB
RAID Protection .........: Hardware RAID only (Linux),
                           Hardware or Software RAID (IRIX)
Keycode/3D LUT Support ..: Yes
System Architecture .....: 64-bit
(smoke SD & smoke HD: only RHEL 32-bit system arch, certified Dual Single-Core workstations, DVS SDStation OEM Video I/O for SD-version, no 4:4:4 Video I/O, no HSDL I/O, no Keycode/3D LUT Support)

Some reference comparisons about performance from "Autodesk Media & Ent" about running IFF on Linux and IRIX, source: Autodesk Media & Entertainment, Autodesk Systems Platform Evolution: The Implications of High Performance Linux Workstations, August 2006
linux_wp_2006_p5.png
(page 5)
linux_wp_2006_p12.png
(page 12)
linux_wp_2006_p14-1.png
(page 14)
linux_wp_2006_p14-2.png
(page 14)

Also interesting the used RAID level (RAID 3) with dedicated filesystem for non-fragmentation support, known as stone storage products
Source: Discreet, stone disk arrays, white paper, 2001
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Somewhere I should have some product photos from Discreet about the IBM APro workstation running some type of editing or finishing product...
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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby Irinikus » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:47 am

That IBM really kicked some ass!

Here are some details on the IBM system. (planned availability from 27th of June 2005)

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname=iSource&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS105-164

It just shows you how quickly systems became obsolete in those days!
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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby escimo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:08 am

Nice. Thx. :)

Found...IBM workstation for smoke "finishing" system
discreet_smoke.jpg

If someone is interested in some (out-dated but informative) white papers, let me know.

Seems to be a nice site: http://infernoflameflintflaresmoke.blog ... -adds.html
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Re: I like workstations dedicated to only one purpose ...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:45 pm

escimo wrote:Found...IBM workstation for smoke "finishing"


OMG... that screen... drool....
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