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An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:55 am
by mapesdhs
Check out this ebay listing for a Commodore C65, and have a cushion ready for your jaw. :D

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultra-rare-C ... 2853882595?

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:37 am
by Irinikus
It's amazing what collectors are willing to pay in order to have a complete collection of whatever it is that they happen to be collecting!

It's rather amazing to see how big the Commodore following actually is!

Collecting, by it's very nature isn't rational!

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:42 am
by mapesdhs
Irinikus wrote:Collecting, by it's very nature isn't rational!


That may sum up most of us here. :D But hey, it's fun!

Not just hobbyists though. I was once asked by a head admin at a major food factory if I had a particular very ancient IBM 8" floppy for an equally old version of IBM's mainframe OS. Their main system had failed, they needed to reinstall, but one of the numerous old floppies was bad, so they were desparately seeking a replacement (IBM didn't have one). The guy told me if I had the relevant floppy, they would be willing to pay twenty thousand for it immediately (their daily lost production cost was way more than that). Alas I didn't have it, but they did find it somewhere, so someone that day was a very happy chappy. I'm sure this C65 seller is equally bouncing off the walls. :D Until now, the most impressive example I'd seen was an unused ZX80 kit that went for 1500 UKP a few years ago.

How often does one actually buy things for a permanent collection though? I rarely do. Last item I bought like that was an Enterprise 128, which I won for 165, though I did later obtain all the relevant accessories aswell. I'm an Acorn guy at heart, but I really wanted that Enterprise. Fairly soon I plan on moving up to a 4K 32" monitor and 1080 Ti for my gaming PC, but it doesn't have remotely the same wow factor as getting the Enterprise after so many years of hunting.

The other vintage item that sells well in the UK is the Jupiter Ace, seen them go for almost 1K.

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:44 am
by Raion-Fox
There is someone trying to sell an Amiga 1000 for $6k on ebay, like a tard.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:49 am
by mapesdhs
Raion-Fox wrote:There is someone trying to sell an Amiga 1000 for $6k on ebay, like a tard.


That's my point though, if someone is happy to pay that much, then why not. Most would laugh, but perhaps there's that one guy who's looking for a particular config, or something totally mint, etc. Who knows. I may see such listings and think he, yeah right, but then when I look at past listings for certain items it's pretty clear there are those who are willing to pay a lot more than I would. Can't fault them for that; whoever lost re my Enterprise 128 wasn't willing to pay as much as I was.

There are often debates on Nekochan about how someone has priced something. What intrigued me here is that these days SGIs more often than ever get listed in the Vintage Computing section on ebay, rather than just general computers or tech. Perhaps the perception of SGIs is changing.

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:33 am
by Irinikus
mapesdhs wrote:
Irinikus wrote:Collecting, by it's very nature isn't rational!


That may sum up most of us here. :D But hey, it's fun!

Not just hobbyists though. I was once asked by a head admin at a major food factory if I had a particular very ancient IBM 8" floppy for an equally old version of IBM's mainframe OS. Their main system had failed, they needed to reinstall, but one of the numerous old floppies was bad, so they were desparately seeking a replacement (IBM didn't have one). The guy told me if I had the relevant floppy, they would be willing to pay twenty thousand for it immediately (their daily lost production cost was way more than that). Alas I didn't have it, but they did find it somewhere, so someone that day was a very happy chappy. I'm sure this C65 seller is equally bouncing off the walls. :D Until now, the most impressive example I'd seen was an unused ZX80 kit that went for 1500 UKP a few years ago.

How often does one actually buy things for a permanent collection though? I rarely do. Last item I bought like that was an Enterprise 128, which I won for 165, though I did later obtain all the relevant accessories aswell. I'm an Acorn guy at heart, but I really wanted that Enterprise. Fairly soon I plan on moving up to a 4K 32" monitor and 1080 Ti for my gaming PC, but it doesn't have remotely the same wow factor as getting the Enterprise after so many years of hunting.

The other vintage item that sells well in the UK is the Jupiter Ace, seen them go for almost 1K.

Ian.


I agree completely, it’s awesome to collect old things, even though to it would seem completely irrational to most! And yes, because the really interesting stuff is usually in rather short supply, you unfortunately usually have to pay a premium for it, unless you get lucky that is!

SGI machines are still rather abundant at the moment, so their prices are reasonable for now, but just wait for about ten to fifteen years, when they become regarded as true vintage machines. (I would say that you could regard them as veteran machines at the moment.)

For example, almost every time an O2 is sold on eBay, unless it’s packed properly, ends up with broken plastics at its destination. Over time, their numbers are effectively reducing as a result, and this is bound to create a scarcity in the market, which will inevitably result in an increase in price.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:29 am
by mapesdhs
Irinikus writes:
> SGI machines are still rather abundant at the moment, so their prices are reasonable for now,
> but just wait for about ten to fifteen years, when they become regarded as true vintage machines.
> (I would say that you could regard them as veteran machines at the moment.)

Actually already happened in some cases, eg. Fuels, though the demand is still commercial rather than hobbyist. The supply is less than an order of magnitude of what it was a few years ago.


> For example, almost every time an O2 is sold on eBay, unless it’s packed properly, ends up with broken plastics at its destination.

That's why, if I can, I send the seller my own packaging to use instead. You're right though, it's why the cost of a top lid is so high on my site; I sold so many, I've ended up with lots of systems but hardly any lids.

The C65 is almost at 31K (UKP), I wonder if it'll go any higher...

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:33 am
by Irinikus
It's about to get exiting to watch!

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:38 am
by mapesdhs
I'm watching, don't think it's possible for my eyeballs to get any wider, keeps going up!! :D

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:40 am
by Irinikus
It went for 85,450 euros! :shock:

Imagine how many SGI's you could buy for that! That's just crazy!

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:45 am
by Irinikus
Im sure that, that was only bought as an investment.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:12 am
by mapesdhs
I actually lol'd... I think the seller might need medical help to recover!! :D

Would have been neat if it had ended on 65 bids, hehe.

Ian.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:17 am
by Irinikus
If you take a look at what's inside one of these boxes, this makes no sense, there's absolutely nothing of interest in there from a hardware point of view!

It was just a cheap computer produced in the early nineties.

As I stated before, us collectors are completely irrational people.

It obviously makes sense to whomever bought it.

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:19 am
by Irinikus
If I had the money, I would probably be willing to drop that amount on a really good example of a Pixar Image computer, but not on that!

Re: An item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay... :)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:26 am
by mapesdhs
I guess the key thing is, there's a difference between being irrational and actually having a rationale. :D Buying my Enterprise 128 could be called irrational, but I had genuine personal reasons for buying it, reasons that were important to me. Presumably the C65 buyer was merely two orders of magnitude more determined. :D

Ian.