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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby jan-jaap » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:24 pm

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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:43 am

guardian452 wrote:As far as stupid workarounds, have you tried leaving a silent (or mute the speaker) music track playing in e.g. itunes? Should allow the screen to be locked at least.


The official suggestion from IT Security Management is to open a powerpoint presentation, start a slide slow, run whatever I need to run and lock my screen.
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby VenomousPinecone » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:55 pm

LarBob wrote:When I try to even change defaults in Settings, I'll click an alternative and it won't change. Have to use control panel on my end for it to even do anything at all.

If you use powershell to remove their default apps, miraculously it starts working. :P

Dodoid wrote:Windows 10 is an operating system trying to be Windows Phone and Windows 7 at the same time, and it's really bad at both. I dumped it for Qubes OS a few months ago.

So now you have an OS pretending to be a hypervisor which is only good at frustrating people who want to use a thumb drive. :lol:

Shiunbird wrote:The official suggestion from IT Security Management is to open a powerpoint presentation, start a slide slow, run whatever I need to run and lock my screen.

You should post that up to his LinkedIn and see if his "colleagues" agree.

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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:41 pm

Oh come on, it's a real Type 1 hypervisor (Xen) with a number of OSes on top and some hypervisor control features.

I agree that USB devices are annoying though. Thumb drives are alright, you can mount them to any VM using Xen Virtual Disks from the Qubes Manager which only takes a few seconds, but other devices require the new (as of 3.2) sys-usb feature that has to be enabled using qubesctl from the dom0 terminal and requires you to install qubes-usb-proxy on your TemplateVMs. Once it's set up it's alright but has to be used from the command line, so I wrote a Python ncurses UI to handle USB devices and some other Qubes things when I press the mic mute button on my ThinkPad.
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Elf » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:13 pm

I gave Windows 10 a shake and was disappointed, of course. I am in the process of installing my Windows based development tools into Win7 VMs, however I recently found Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB.

It may be a way to make Windows 10 more tolerable, if you have to use it:
Enterprise LTSB is a long-term support version of Windows 10 Enterprise released every 2 to 3 years. They are supported with security updates for 10 years after their release, and intentionally receive no feature updates. Some features, including the Windows Store and bundled apps, are not included in this edition.
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:14 pm

VenomousPinecone wrote:
Shiunbird wrote:The official suggestion from IT Security Management is to open a powerpoint presentation, start a slide slow, run whatever I need to run and lock my screen.

You should post that up to his LinkedIn and see if his "colleagues" agree.


The worst thing is that I found out the bad way (trying to leave something running overnight) that it doesn't work.
So what I did was... we use a tech support platform called Bomgar. If you are using Bomgar to fix someone's computer, you get admin access to the command prompt.

So I use that to launch PowerShell, and then disable hibernation. But it only lasts until Group Policies are pushed again... :|
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Trippynet » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:28 am

Could you create a scheduled task (with admin rights) to keep re-applying the change every minute perhaps?
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:03 am

Trippynet wrote:Could you create a scheduled task (with admin rights) to keep re-applying the change every minute perhaps?


I think I can create a scheduled task using powershell logged in through the remote support tool. I'll try and report back.

In the meantime, I submitted a request to commission a Linux VM so I can run what I need to run there. They will give me 48 hours root access, so I need to install all I need and then hope standard users can use cron.
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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby uunix » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:58 pm

Can you compile anything in C#?

If so.. Create a project with a form
Add a timer - 'timerSetKey' in my example.
Add a label - no real need to do this, mine is called 'labelResponse' but it's add some feed back.
Throw this in the form .cs file

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using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.ComponentModel;
using System.Data;
using System.Drawing;
using System.Linq;
using System.Text;
using System.Threading.Tasks;
using System.Windows.Forms;
using System.Runtime.InteropServices;


namespace StopScreenSaver
{
    public partial class FormStopScreenSaver : Form
    {
        public static int iCount=0;
        [FlagsAttribute]
        public enum EXECUTION_STATE : uint
        {
            ES_SYSTEM_REQUIRED = 0x00000001,
            ES_DISPLAY_REQUIRED = 0x00000002,
            // Legacy flag, should not be used.
            // ES_USER_PRESENT   = 0x00000004,
            ES_AWAYMODE_REQUIRED = 0x00000040,
            ES_CONTINUOUS = 0x80000000,
        }

        public static class SleepUtil
        {
            [DllImport("kernel32.dll", CharSet = CharSet.Auto, SetLastError = true)]
            public static extern EXECUTION_STATE SetThreadExecutionState(EXECUTION_STATE esFlags);
        }

        public void PreventSleep()
        {
            if (SleepUtil.SetThreadExecutionState(EXECUTION_STATE.ES_CONTINUOUS
                | EXECUTION_STATE.ES_DISPLAY_REQUIRED
                | EXECUTION_STATE.ES_SYSTEM_REQUIRED
                | EXECUTION_STATE.ES_AWAYMODE_REQUIRED) == 0) //Away mode for Windows >= Vista
                SleepUtil.SetThreadExecutionState(EXECUTION_STATE.ES_CONTINUOUS
                    | EXECUTION_STATE.ES_DISPLAY_REQUIRED
                    | EXECUTION_STATE.ES_SYSTEM_REQUIRED); //Windows < Vista, forget away mode
        }
        public static int iKeyPressed =0;
        public FormStopScreenSaver()
        {
            InitializeComponent();
            timerSetKey.Enabled = true;
        }

        private void timerSetKey_Tick(object sender, EventArgs e)
        {
            labelResponse.Text = string.Format("Count {0}",iCount.ToString());
            labelResponse.Update();
            PreventSleep();
            iCount++;
        }
    }
}

StopScreenSaver is the name of my form.
Don't forget to set the timer to an interval relating to a second, set the tick event and ensure it is enabled by default else you will have to do it on form load or when the form initializes.
Add some nice Icons, and colours and away you go. Tested, proved and stolen!
Must admit I haven't tested it running as non admin, but I don't see an issue.

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Re: If you must use Windows 10 and default apps is driving you crazy...

Unread postby Shiunbird » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:05 am

I can compile C#. I'll give it a shot!
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