What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby robespierre » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:37 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:Why? The Mac keyboard and mouse work fine and can (with a little effort) simulate all the Symbolics keys.

Not entirely; the Local and Repeat keys are missing. (They have no function on a MacIvory.)
But the position of some other keys is just awkward, and the dedicated keys for entering Lisp expressions (parentheses and :) are not there.
Meta-right button is very awkward too.
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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby miod » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:26 am

Are we all writing our letter to Santa?

Here is the list of the non-prototype systems I wish I could get my hands on eventually (but probably never will):

  • MIPS-based machines:
    • any Sony NEWS
    • MIPS Magnum R4000 (not the R3000 one)
    • any NEC RiscStation (ARC compliant machine)
    • any Sumitomo Sumistation
  • i860-based workstations:
    • Kubota Stardent
    • OKIStation 7300
  • 68000-based machines:
    • Apollo DN2500
  • 88000-based machines:
    • any Tektronik XD88k model
    • DG AViiON 450H
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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby dexter1 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:08 am

On behalf of one of my friends i am still looking out for a Sun 486i Apache

He says that there were several prototypes in the Netherlands and claims to have seen them, but they were recalled by Sun.
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Unread postby miod » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:31 am

dexter1 wrote:On behalf of one of my friends i am still looking out for a Sun 486i Apache

Ah, but these would fit into the "prototype" category. I'd love to see one too, if only to confirm this is not an urban legend, everyone's source being "I've heard of..." or "a friend of a relative of a coworker of a relative's coworker saw its shadow once".
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Unread postby nyef » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:11 am

robespierre wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:Why? The Mac keyboard and mouse work fine and can (with a little effort) simulate all the Symbolics keys.

Not entirely; the Local and Repeat keys are missing. (They have no function on a MacIvory.)
But the position of some other keys is just awkward, and the dedicated keys for entering Lisp expressions (parentheses and :) are not there.
Meta-right button is very awkward too.

I'd anticipate that picking up a 3-button ADB mouse (they exist!) might help with that last, though I've not tried it.

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Unread postby uunix » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:35 am

miod wrote:
dexter1 wrote:On behalf of one of my friends i am still looking out for a Sun 486i Apache

Ah, but these would fit into the "prototype" category. I'd love to see one too, if only to confirm this is not an urban legend, everyone's source being "I've heard of..." or "a friend of a relative of a coworker of a relative's coworker saw its shadow once".

I had a SUN 386i many many years ago, tower unit, I think it was the 250 model. Cool bit of kit that was. I wonder what I did with it?
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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby robespierre » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:08 am

nyef wrote:I'd anticipate that picking up a 3-button ADB mouse (they exist!) might help with that last, though I've not tried it.

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There is support for 3-button mice: the manual mentions the Logitech MouseMan. The only one I've seen is the (optical) Mouse Systems A/3, and finding them is not easy. It might be possible with a 4-button TurboMouse trackball, but I'm not sure.
(Most Mac pointing devices only send left-click because that's the only event that Mac software normally uses. The multi-button devices have all kinds of convenience behaviors like click-lock, shift-click, etc, and can also be assignable. But true middle and right click events were only used by X servers, A/UX, and orphan stuff like Genera, so support isn't necessarily widespread)
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Unread postby miod » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:20 pm

uunix wrote:I had a SUN 386i many many years ago, tower unit, I think it was the 250 model. Cool bit of kit that was. I wonder what I did with it?

Still have my precious 150 here!
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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby scottE » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:40 pm

I think I'd like one of those Commodore 64 SXs.

Or, even more so, one of those Indy-based N64 dev kits. That's a dream.
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Re: What extremely rare (non-prototype) computers do you wish you could find?

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:45 am

SX-64s aren't super rare, it's just that people hoard them (I'm guilty of this, I have three, including one NOS boxed unit) and they're popular and wacky, so they don't sit around long on ePay and Crapoo!.
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Unread postby itsvince725 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:59 am

SX64s and Kaypros are probably the most common of those non-x86 luggables.

A rare machine I'd like to find is an Apple Workgroup Server 9150. Modified Quadra 950 case with a PPC heart, and since there's no PM9100 equivalent it's the only way to get that case design.
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Unread postby scottE » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:05 am

I see rarity as being relative—I've never even seen an SX64 in person (and Amigas only twice up here, most recently in 1991).

But then, opportunities up here are really limited. (It's one of the reasons we're trying to get out of here.)
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Unread postby vishnu » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:27 am

scottE wrote:(It's one of the reasons we're trying to get out of here.)


Wait; you're leaving Wasilla? But it's paradise! (For one week in the spring and one week in the fall)... ;)
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Unread postby scottE » Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:06 pm

vishnu wrote:Wait; you're leaving Wasilla? But it's paradise! (For one week in the spring and one week in the fall)... ;)


Ha! We have two weeks of spring now, thanks to climate change.

But I still had to dig our car out of a snow berm this morning. There's tons of reasons to leave. The economy up here is crummy and runny, work is hard to find (the overwhelming majority of my income last year—contract work—actually came from out-of-state), the darkness during wintertime is depressing, and, frankly, my wife I both miss our friends in Washington state. I'd like a tabletop game with that crowd again.

I don't regret coming back to AK, because I did meet and marry my wife, but it's time for a change.
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Unread postby praetor242 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:02 pm

I don't know how rare it is, but I'd love an onyx deskside.

When I was like 15, I read this article in a video game magazine about the N64, and they were talking about how the initial hardware was based around the Onyx. Or something. This was ages ago I kinda fell in love with it. I was already and SGI fan before that, but it captivated me. I see an Onyx in my future :D
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