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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Adrenaline » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:52 am

Hoping they put it in a decent form factor like the Pixel, but at a much lower cost which shouldn't be an issue considering Intel's markup.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby calvin » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:06 pm

>1024x768x32 in 16:9

That is not a thing.

The article seems a bit misleading, it states that there's support in Chrome OS, but no actual hardware is coming. It's a possibility, sure, as I don't think Google would merge this without a reason, but ARM dominates in the low power market. MIPS is really only found in low-end network equipment nowadays.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby commodorejohn » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:39 pm

calvin wrote:>1024x768x32 in 16:9

That is not a thing.

Unless the pixels are 33% wider than they are tall.

Which would be ugly, and probably not what's meant here, but it is possible.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Trippynet » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:07 am

If it's 16:9 then I won't be buying one. I cannot stand that aspect ratio on anything other than a TV screen.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Adrenaline » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:19 am

ivelegacy wrote:well, 1024x768x32 in 16:9 ratio is good for me. The real question is … the final price, and the kernel support. No problem about the rootfs as i will try to cook a gentoo stage1-4 from catalyst. Btw if it will be a google price then i can feel the price will be reasonable (i hope).


I'm thinking depending on if it's a 13.3" model 1920x1080 would be perfect.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Adrenaline » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:24 am

It really depends on what OEMs see as a good target:

Low-end x86 based Chromebooks like this -> http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.MQNAA.003)
the mid-range ARM/x86 based Chromebooks like this -> http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/chro ... 3C32-K01US

Or unlikely, the "premium" x86 based Chromebooks like this -> http://www.google.com/chromebook/pixel/

Being an AMD fan, that's the biggest problem in the laptop space. Typically even the higher end AMD APUs that are faster than an i3 or i5 (and in OpenCL/gaming the i7) are stuck in a cheap looking 15.6" 1366x768/5400rpm 500gb hard drive/4gb laptop. While an i3 model would have an IPS 1080p screen, SSD and higher grade materials.

We just have to wait and see at this point.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:04 am

Adrenaline wrote:
ivelegacy wrote:well, 1024x768x32 in 16:9 ratio is good for me. The real question is … the final price, and the kernel support. No problem about the rootfs as i will try to cook a gentoo stage1-4 from catalyst. Btw if it will be a google price then i can feel the price will be reasonable (i hope).


I'm thinking depending on if it's a 13.3" model 1920x1080 would be perfect.

13.3" should be 2560x1600, 'tis just right for me :D I think 1920x1080(or 1200) in this size would be an awkward middle ground between normal assets too small and 2x assets too big.

Nowadays you can get cellphones with 1920x1080 :shock:
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Trippynet » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:27 am

ivelegacy wrote:4:3 is … very hard to be find in modern laptops


Indeed. I'm happy enough with 16:10 - and in fact my current laptop is a Thinkpad X201 (Core i5, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 16:10 screen), but I cannot stand 16:9. It's a nasty, multimedia-consumption designed aspect ratio that only exists on PCs in such dominant force because it's cheap to produce (because it's the same aspect ratio as a TV).

Thankfully, there have been a few 3:2 devices emerging recently (Google Pixel, Surface Pro 3, the new Macbook), so maybe all hope isn't completely lost regarding new portable devices.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Adrenaline » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:31 am

guardian452 wrote:
Adrenaline wrote:
ivelegacy wrote:well, 1024x768x32 in 16:9 ratio is good for me. The real question is … the final price, and the kernel support. No problem about the rootfs as i will try to cook a gentoo stage1-4 from catalyst. Btw if it will be a google price then i can feel the price will be reasonable (i hope).


I'm thinking depending on if it's a 13.3" model 1920x1080 would be perfect.

13.3" should be 2560x1600, 'tis just right for me :D I think 1920x1080(or 1200) in this size would be an awkward middle ground between normal assets too small and 2x assets too big.

Nowadays you can get cellphones with 1920x1080 :shock:


That is true - my Lumia 1520 is 1920x1080, definitely nice when I have to use Remote Desktop. Just not getting my hopes up for a greater than 1080p MIPS Chromebook :)
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby calvin » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:03 pm

Trippynet wrote:Thankfully, there have been a few 3:2 devices emerging recently (Google Pixel, Surface Pro 3, the new Macbook), so maybe all hope isn't completely lost regarding new portable devices.


The new 12" MacBook is 16:10, and its usable resolution is 1152x720, smaller than the 1366x768 you see everywhere, and 1280x800 before it.

I do hope for more 3:2 though. There was supposedly a ThinkPad with a 3:2 coming soon, but it was likely a false rumour.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby commodorejohn » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:31 pm

Why 3:2?
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Trippynet » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:37 am

Not sure. Maybe some of the manufacturers who wanted their displays to visibly stand out thought that 16:10 was a bit too close to 16:9 still and that consumers might not notice. 3:2 is still moderately widescreen, but it's really noticeably squarer than 16:9. I've used a Surface Pro 3 and I must admit that I'd love a screen of that aspect ratio on a proper laptop (with a matte coating of course).
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby guardian452 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:06 am

calvin wrote:
Trippynet wrote:Thankfully, there have been a few 3:2 devices emerging recently (Google Pixel, Surface Pro 3, the new Macbook), so maybe all hope isn't completely lost regarding new portable devices.


The new 12" MacBook is 16:10, and its usable resolution is 1152x720, smaller than the 1366x768 you see everywhere, and 1280x800 before it.

I do hope for more 3:2 though. There was supposedly a ThinkPad with a 3:2 coming soon, but it was likely a false rumour.

It's real resolution is 2304x1400, and it's usable resolution can be set to:
Supported scaled resolutions:
1440 by 900
1280 by 800
1024 by 640

But because of the way OSX scaling works, 1440x900 scaled on a retina screen looks a lot better than a panel with 1440x900 native resolution. E.G. I have a 13 inch and depending on what I am working on I may set it to 1440 or even 1680 and though it is technically non-native it looks much better than a panel with that resolution as a native display. More often than not the default is best, and as more programs become retina-aware, this will continue to be the case, and using non-native scaled up resolutions will become more of a personal preference.
Depending on your perspective, there either is or isn't more information that is showed when changing the scale on a retina screen. There is either room for more widgets and text (more information), or the same number of pixels for images/video (the same amount of information.
In a few years I doubt LCD panels will continue to be sold by native resolution but by either megapixels, dot pitch, or as resolution becomes a non-issue, more important metrics such as brightness, contrast, and viewing angles.

I never realized it (the pixel) was 3:2. If they wanted it to fit horizontally into a certain form factor (ex. make the machine no more than the width of the keyboard, and the screen as large as possible with very small bezels), that decision could have forced the move to 3:2, small vertical resolutions can be painful. It makes some sense given most still cameras use that aspect ratio for their sensors.


Back to the topic at hand, are these mips laptops going to be competing vs. x86, arm, or I don't see any reason why they couldn't take on both? (: Surprised nobody has jumped at the chance to provide benchmarks, but since there was no mention of the actual chip used, maybe I shouldn't be. Maybe it's just vapourware ): Not sure how much stock addition of some mips support into their coreboot hints at a new chromebook- it may be for a different device entirely. Perhaps something automotive to support android auto, if there is a mips chip of suitable performance that is automotive rated, and no equivalent in the ARM space. Or another different application space entirely.

I really like the new pixel, but for it's high price or just a little bit more, you can get a "real" laptop that beats it in every way.

Edit: did not realize you were referring to the pixel as 3:2 and thought the new macbook was 3:2.
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Re: mips chrome books are coming

Unread postby Trippynet » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:23 am

You are quite right about the new Macbook being 16:10 and not 3:2 as I originally thought. My bad! :)
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