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worth some contemplation ...

Unread postby hamei » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:35 pm

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Unread postby Oskar45 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:13 am

hamei wrote:http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/marjoe.htm

Some time ago in another thread, although posing perfectly valid questions, when I talked about religion one of our mods simply locked it without asking for justification. So be it. But one question will always remain - why do so many people swear on a book which is filled with contradictions?

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Unread postby hamei » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:55 am

Oskar45 wrote: ... one question will always remain - why do so many people swear on a book which is filled with contradictions?

He's not talking about religion. The travelling tent shows are not religion, that's one of his points. He's talking about mass propaganda. The evangelical hoopla was an example but not the only example. Marjoe demonstrated the same techniques in a totally non-religious environment ...

The part that's unsettling is how easily a talented speaker can sway people :( The last sentence is unnerving.
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Unread postby Oskar45 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:54 am

hamei wrote: The last sentence is unnerving.
Indeed - a joke with religion?

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Unread postby hamei » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:06 am

Oskar45 wrote:Indeed - a joke with religion?

No, the fact that people are so malleable. Not malleable into using their brains, alas.

Once again, his point was not about religion. He might just as well have been speaking about the Beautiful Unix Philosophy.
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Unread postby Oskar45 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:52 am

hamei wrote:He might just as well have been speaking about the Beautiful Unix Philosophy.
In the name of Jesus! as per the last sentence? Come on.

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Unread postby hamei » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:43 am

Oskar45 wrote: In the name of Jesus! as per the last sentence? Come on.

Substitute whatever you like ... go to Macworld and invoke the visionary Steve Jobs. Hang out in some Loonix group : say the words "Free and Open Source" while touching them on the forehead, they'll all fall down writhing in ecstacy.

The vast majority followed George Bush through the Valley of Lies without a qualm including all the people who later blamed him for a stewpid pointless war ... while others now worship the Divine Obama. A huge group kisses the hem of the Free Market, no matter what logic says.

The Holy Rollers may be one example of people working themselves into an irrational tizzy, but it certainly is not the only one. It's unnerving that people are so stupid.

It's quite possible that democracy cannot work.
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Unread postby Oskar45 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:55 am

hamei wrote:It's unnerving that people are so stupid.

It's quite possible that democracy cannot work.
Granted. On which side do you stand? And what would you suggest instead of democracy?

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Unread postby hamei » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:26 am

Oskar45 wrote: On which side do you stand? And what would you suggest instead of democracy?

I can't even control the Assistant, so it's kind of pointless for me to have a position :D

It does seem tho that the gorilla in the room is that there are simply far too many people on the planet. And we have far too much power. We're about like a nine year old playing with a hydrogen bomb. Just look at the stupid shit we do, e.g. corn-based ethanol. Then when we see how stupid it is, we double up.

I don't think Mom Nature is going to put up with us much longer.
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Unread postby Oskar45 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:54 am

hamei wrote:[...] there are simply far too many people on the planet.
"be fruitful and multiply",Gen. 1,28. Whom are you going to blame?

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Unread postby vishnu » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:22 pm

The real problem is that our technology is so far ahead of our sociology. Come on sociologists, get off the stick and start solving some of these problems! We'll back you to the limit! Everybody to the limit! :mrgreen:
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Unread postby hamei » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:28 pm

Oskar45 wrote: Whom are you going to blame?

Our chromosomes, who use us to reproduce themselves :D

But it seems like we should be smarter than some nameless blobs of protoplasm, no ?


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Unread postby commodorejohn » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:28 am

vishnu wrote:The real problem is that our technology is so far ahead of our sociology. Come on sociologists, get off the stick and start solving some of these problems! We'll back you to the limit! Everybody to the limit! :mrgreen:

I can't imagine anything more terrifying than a world run by sociologists.
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Unread postby josehill » Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:22 am

commodorejohn wrote:I can't imagine anything more terrifying than a world run by sociologists.

I don't know. The biomedical ethicists I've met have been pretty terrifying. But, yeah, if someone isn't terrified by the idea of sociologists running the world, they're either a sociologist or they want to be one! :D

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Unread postby hamei » Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:51 am

josehill wrote: ... if someone isn't terrified by the idea of sociologists running the world, they're either a sociologist or they want to be one! :D

The US already is, with predictable results :( Neither political party is interested in government : what they really are is two competing groups of sociologists each trying to ram their own version of a perfect world down our throats.

And each halfway succeeding ... no wonder the US is bipolar :D
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